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Erik
Posted: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:26:48 AM

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What are the goals for the CCS?

 

How big does everyone want it to get?  In 2009, a record number of participants were in the CCS .  There were a total of 734 registrations or an average of 82 people per course!  Is growth still an issue?  It is always nice to bring new people in, but what is the maximum capacity of these events? 

 

Does anyone want to change the makeup of the competition?  In 2009, the competitions were cut into 1/3’s for ability levels:

252 Novice (247 Novice, 2 Juniors, and 3 Novice women)

267 Advanced (153 Advanced, 100 Advanced Masters, and 14 Advanced Women)

212 Open (130 Open, 75 Masters, and 10 Open Women)

 

247 registrations in Men’s Novice…  Does this not speak volumes about how an intermediate division is needed?

 

Is bagging a problem?  Lots of ideas have been attempted, suggested, etc…  Can more be done? 

 

I know this might be complex and could take a while to implement; I personally believe a rating system would help control the bagging.  Once a player rating has passed a division threshold, let them move up and carry their points with them.

T_Vincent
Posted: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:45:32 AM

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The max is based on the course, number of baskets and speed of play. Standard course, 18 baskets, 90 people. If there is space to add holes then we can go larger. Another thing is the more people, the longer each round goes. Some couses just play faster, so more people is less of an issue. I would not want more than 90 at idlewild, it already takes 3 1/2 to 4 hours for a round. Yet at Winton on Jan 1st, we had over 100 people with groups of six and we got out not much later than normal. Just a few bits to help.
andersab
Posted: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:48:25 AM

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Erik wrote:

What are the goals for the CCS?



To have fun and play disc golf... if you want some type of hard core competition, go play PDGA events.
StorminSteve
Posted: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:50:45 AM

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Of those 252 novice reg. how many played 1 time and did not return ? As for the bagging that lies within the individual . Meaning that if you won a tournament could you go look yourself in the mirror and say " I played my best and won in the division that I should be in , or I played ok but played in a division that I shouldn't have been into begin with but still won " ?? Be proud of your accomplishments not the metal !
Erik
Posted: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:02:01 PM

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StorminSteve wrote:
Of those 252 novice reg. how many played 1 time and did not return ? As for the bagging that lies within the individual . Meaning that if you won a tournament could you go look yourself in the mirror and say " I played my best and won in the division that I should be in , or I played ok but played in a division that I shouldn't have been into begin with but still won " ?? Be proud of your accomplishments not the metal !


Of the 247 Men's Novice, 92 people only played 1 time and did not return. 
41 from advanced played 1 time and 35 from open/masters played 1 time and did not return.

Why are any of these people playing once and not finishing out the series? 
T_Vincent
Posted: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:09:02 PM

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Local player, local course. Just to try the tournament.
Madmike
Posted: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:09:22 PM

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Erik wrote:


Of the 247 Men's Novice, 92 people only played 1 time and did not return. 
41 from advanced played 1 time and 35 from open/masters played 1 time and did not return.

Why are any of these people playing once and not finishing out the series? 


Go back through the last years open winners and see who the top 5 in every event and average it out and the same with advanced and novice but oxford, turtle creek and monroe will be different because of the amount of dayton players that come to those three events!!
Erik
Posted: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:45:50 PM

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Madmike wrote:


Go back through the last years open winners and see who the top 5 in every event and average it out and the same with advanced and novice but oxford, turtle creek and monroe will be different because of the amount of dayton players that come to those three events!!


ok,

    Open   Adv   Spread   Novice   Spread   Mid Novice   Spread
AJ Jolly   106.4   113.6   7.2   122.2   8.6   140.6   18.4
Harbin   95.2   100.4   5.2   110.2   9.8   118.2   8
Idlewild   124.4   135.4   11.0   142.8   7.4   161.6   18.8
Lincoln Ridge    109.2   120.2   11.0   126.4   6.2   143.6   17.2
Mt Airy   110.8   118.4   7.6   130.0   11.6   142.6   12.6
Rapid Run   106.8   120.0   13.2   124.0   4.0   135.8   11.8
Total   652.8   708.0   55.2   755.6   47.6   842.4   86.8
Average    108.8   118.0   9.2   125.9   7.9   140.4   14.5



This still does not account for bagging or the 2x+ participants in novice.  If you take the top of the middle of novice you get a spread of 14 strokes!
jimmy10
Posted: Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:39:40 PM
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