Personally I think it would be great to see ratings applied to our CCS. The PDGA wouldn't like to see non-members receive the benefit of seeing their ratings, but our local players who are not PDGA members would. Plus, it let us see our 'home course' ratings. It would be neat to see if players really play the local courses much better than out of town courses. I would assume the most players would have a higher CCS rating than their PDGA rating, not just because of familiarity with the course (the other players are also familiar with the course at CC's), but because of the more relaxed nature of the CCS vs. a PDGA event.

Lee, the world is hollow.

Below is a calculation of the 2008 Idlewild CCS.  Where no rating on a PDGA rating exist on a person...it means I couldn't quickly find a PDGA number, you aren't a current member, you had too similiar of a name to someone else....or like reason.   If you see any mistakes with names/PDGA ratings or what not...just let me know and I'll update the DB and recalculate instantly.

***NOTE*** The ratings are calculated off your ratings as of TODAY...I have no crystal ball and can't calculate off what your rating was the day you shot this round...so I did as the PDGA does...they rate your rounds off your PDGA rating the day of the calculation...and not the day of the tournament...no matter when the paper work for the flying pig is turned in.

Division	Name	PDGA #	PDGA Rating	Round 1	Round Rating	Round 2	Round Rating	Round 1 Rating +/-	Round 2 Rating +/-	Total Rating +/- Avg
Advanced	Hollingshead, Dan	29598	947	65	992.16	68	1006.02	45.16	59.02	52.09
	Elam, J.P.	35860	905	68	971.15	74	970.86	66.15	65.86	66
	Eyerman, Alex			69	964.14	79	941.56
	Fuhrman, Cyrus	30655		69	964.14	80	935.7
	Foster, Russell	34596	952	71	950.13	78	947.42	-1.87	-4.58	-3.22
	Fowler, Kris	32926	896	72	943.13	79	941.56	47.13	45.56	46.34
	Ledford, Lynn			74	929.12	79	941.56			0
	Harrod, Chad	33128	923	73	936.13	81	929.84	13.13	6.84	9.98
	Kemner, Mike	30555	914	78	901.1	77	953.28	-12.9	39.28	13.19
	Thompson, Gary	21919	901	76	915.11	79	941.56	14.11	40.56	27.34
	Mayer, J.P.	29362	915	73	936.13	83	918.11	21.13	3.11	12.12
	Madden, Jeff	35326	922	73	936.13	84	912.25	14.13	-9.75	2.19
	Rott, Joe	21816	892	77	908.11	81	929.84	16.11	37.84	26.97
	Stephens, Lee	33235	877	75	922.12	83	918.11	45.12	41.11	43.12
	Vincent, Tony			73	936.13	85	906.39
	Lutz, Dave	35999	892	75	922.12	86	900.53	30.12	8.53	19.33
	Javins, Joe	32768	888	81	880.09	84	912.25	-7.91	24.25	8.17
	Combs, Jason	35266	896	85	852.07	93	859.51	-43.93	-36.49	-40.21
Advanced Grandmaster	Frazer, David	21771	907	73	936.13	92	865.37	29.13	-41.63	-6.25
	Lohman, Don	15682	892	80	887.1	89	882.95	-4.9	-9.05	-6.98
	Multhopp, Hans	10074	856	86	845.07	86	900.53	-10.93	44.53	16.8
	Clore, Alan	24038	856	86	845.07	92	865.37	-10.93	9.37	-0.78
Advanced Masters	Donathon, Ken	27828	895	79	894.1	80	935.7	-0.9	40.7	19.9
	Guy, Doug	33170		73	936.13	88	888.81			0
	Pettigrew, Gary	24376	850	79	894.1	89	882.95	44.1	32.95	38.53
	Angel, Rod	25780	850	81	880.09	94	853.65	30.09	3.65	16.87
Advanced Women	Frazer, Michelle	24356	897	75	922.12	81	929.84	25.12	32.84	28.98
	Cox, Rebecca	32917	819	77	908.11	92	865.37	89.11	46.37	67.74
	Frazer, Rebecca	27869	885	84	859.08	85	906.39	-25.92	21.39	-2.26
	Farrell, Karen	31738	849	82	873.09	92	865.37	24.09	16.37	20.23
	Messina, Tara			107	673.09	102	806.77
Masters	Eades, Jeff	9061	963	64	999.16	73	976.72	36.16	13.72	24.94
	Johnston, Rob			69	964.14	72	982.58
	Herbert, Bob	6003	972	65	992.16	77	953.28	20.16	-18.72	0.72
Novice	Moe, Thomas	34750	892	74	929.12	83	918.11	37.12	26.11	31.62
	Montgomery, Jeremy	31735	843	84	859.08	77	953.28	16.08	110.28	63.18
	Schulman, Will	19135	735	82	873.09	80	935.7	138.09	200.7	169.4
	Johns, Dennis	36002	878	75	922.12	88	888.81	44.12	10.81	27.46
	Barnett, Brady			78	901.1	85	906.39
	Kursim, Tony	34733	906	79	894.1	86	900.53	-11.9	-5.47	-8.68
	Stricker, Gerry	38050		79	894.1	87	894.67
	Gales, Gabe			84	859.08	87	894.67
	Allphin, Abner	34405	869	85	852.07	87	894.67	-16.93	25.67	4.37
	Wayson, Tim			88	831.06	85	906.39
	Poynter, Casey			82	873.09	92	865.37
	Worley, Jeff			88	831.06	88	888.81
	Farina, Tyson	34296	816	87	838.07	91	871.23	22.07	55.23	38.65
	Stupak, Jonathon	31739	780	85	852.07	96	841.93	72.07	61.93	67
	Westerbeck, Don			90	817.05	94	853.65
	Vincent, Kevin			84	859.08	105	789.19
	Javins, James	34986	792	89	824.06	104	795.05	32.06	3.05	17.56
	Scott, Mike	32218	628	117	602.59	121	695.43	-25.41	67.43	21.01
	Marlar, Will			94	788.85	DNF
Novice Women	Hollingshead, Alex	30544	793	88	831.06	100	818.49	38.06	25.49	31.78
	Mamari, Angie	35158	729	98	760.65	102	806.77	31.65	77.77	54.71
	Burress, Kendra	31734	631	102	708.34	125	671.99	77.34	40.99	59.17
Open	Cox, David	6582	1001	61	1020.18	67	1011.88	19.18	10.88	15.03
	Whitt, Scotty	9618		63	1006.16	73	976.72
	Vandemark, Jeff	26326	974	62	1013.17	75	965	39.17	-9	15.09
	Miller, Drew	21071	958	69	964.14	70	994.3	6.14	36.3	21.22
	Mahl, Steve	9536		67	978.15	72	982.58
	Caldwell, Pete	9903	992	67	978.15	74	970.86	-13.85	-21.14	-17.49
	Ferrara, Jim	31737	970	71	950.13	72	982.58	-19.87	12.58	-3.64
	Long, Nick	24469	963	68	971.15	79	941.56	8.15	-21.44	-6.65
	Hurley, Colin	27776	951	73	936.13	77	953.28	-14.87	2.28	-6.3
	Singer, Ben	25180	965	76	915.11	75	965	-49.89	0	-24.94
Open Grandmaster	Day, Mike	22271	936	71	950.13	76	959.14	14.13	23.14	18.64
	Gambrell, Fishnet Dave	13111		71	950.13	83	918.11
	Marlow, David A.	9297	917	69	964.14	87	894.67	47.14	-22.33	12.41
	Toelke, Russ	3320	919	83	866.08	DNF		-52.92	0	-26.46
Open Women	Frazer, Nicole	24355	937	72	943.13	79	941.56	6.13	4.56	5.34
	Shooner, Liz	21732	909	81	880.09	80	935.7	-28.91	26.7	-1.11
	Frazer, Sandra	24354	891	79	894.1	88	888.81	3.1	-2.19	0.46
	Averages		908.47	78.11	899.3	84.89	907.05	16.8	23.66	20.01

I don't know big guy.....two rounds over my PDGA rating at Idlewild. Looks pretty generous to me. I don't get there very often. I think it is interesting that the tourney average (ratings) are very close to 900. There's a number I haven't seen before. I wonder if that holds over the long term. Try either a big or a nasty weather CCS next time you find some Mt. Dew.

Zac...first off let me say that I did forewarn in the opening paragraph that these ratings will be inflated BECAUSE...we are using each of the propagators rating as they are TODAY...not what they were the day this tournament was...so most players have gone thru two PDGA ratings updates since then. Same with The Flying Pig Open...since the TD report was very late getting in...or may I say the check....we went thru a ratings update...then...later..when the Pig was calculated..the PDGA rated the rounds based on the player ratings THAT DAY...you don't go back and try to figure out what the player was rated at the time the tournament is shot..you rate a player off what their ratings were the day the tournament gets processed....in essence..if the TD shot a smoking hot round..you could cheat..and purposely delay the TD report until the end of the year and get a much higher score....if you are banking on almost everyone's player rating shooting up before your TD report is published. I shot a mediocre round in May..that didn't get processed until this latest update..and my round ratings jumped about 50 points....magically...because of the delay in the posting.

Second...if you want to know a +/- by division...well that is simple enough...I'll post here later...maybe tomorrow after I work tonight from 7pm to 7am..a break down of Idlewild +/- by division....Presently I'm doing a ratings for the Mt Airy CCS because it was wet and sloppy and Rod asked for a comparison of wet and sloppy versus nice and pleasant. I fully intend to rate all the 2008 CCS tournaments and post the data for everyone here. The earlier tournaments will have inflated averages and it will get more real world accurate as I calculate for the later tournaments. Then...as we head into 2009 I can do CCS Player ratings the day the results are posted.

Calculating for Idlewild was difficult and time consuming...and took many hours of figuring things out...the time for Mt. Airy has so far been about an hour and I'm finishing them up now....when I post these into a real database..and build a PHP page to generate all this stuff magically for me...a new tournament would take mere minutes to calculate all this. In essence..I could build a page that could both post the normal results to the site here...and generate all the stats at the same time. I'll most likely be having a nerd gathering at a future tournament with Dan and the boys to see what we can work out.

Note to Jeff Madden. I've looked at your ratings for this event. I see you played Novice. I see you went out on a terrible day for disc golf and almost burned the course down in the rain.

Two points I'd like to say: 1. Congrats on shooting a helluva two rounds. You got skills and it showed this day. 2. I've calculated your BIR...aka..your Bagger Index Rating...today..you are playing Advanced and all is good..but that day your BIR was close to ONE BILLION :)

Helluva round though.

That's all way off (& hard to read). A TON of player ratings are missing.

I'm not so sure about that.  Two guys in the Mt. Airy tournament have ratings near 1000.

Caldwell, Pete 9903 992 54 1018.6 57 997.15

Estenfelder, Mark 13425 1004 62 948.79 54 1022.97

The closer their scroes are to each other, the more likely the scores will rate near 1000.  More propagators will drag this one way or the other.  62 being the odd man out score and was treated accordingly.

The compression is betwen 8 and 9.  I guess that is all right.  I don't know how that is calculated?  I BELIEVE it should be under 10, but other than that......  If the bottom scores are too highly rated, then the compression number is too small.