It is going to be a heated debate!!!!!! Only because everyone feels that it would just be right to add the division. I mean when it does not happen and less people come to the CCS series then what will be said? As of right now I don't care if its added or not I am actually tired of reading it as is everyone else. I just want to play in the end its all that matters. Yes less payouts because less people that participate but what division will that hurt the most?

I forgot: Rable! Rable, Rable, Rable!

How the hell does this benefit Open? Open fields are typically smaller (because people don't move up and it costs $20). The competition is more stiff because we have sponsored guys like Cox and Blakely who live here and play quite a few tournaments and it's harder for guys who don't play all the time to cash or win. Do you hear us whining about another division? I maybe get to play once a week if I'm lucky yet I still play Open. If you read Andrew Miller's post he totally gets the point that MOST of you are missing. The CCS encourages you to become a better player. I think the whole problem is with the verbage. Advanced is Intermediate. The definition of Intermediate is: Occuring between 2 extremes, or in the middle of a range, which is right where Advanced falls.

 

I am only looking for player ratings.  You can call any division intermediate after ratings are intraduced.

 

 

Andrew Miller also has no problem with playing doubles and other cash donating activities in disc golf with the intention on becoming a better player.  When people say:

 

 

Then why would you move up?  Not everyone is competition driven to “donate” and put in their dues”… This is why a rating system needs to be implemented.

 

 

+1 on this post!

 

 

Well said!  So the divisions would look like:

 

Novice - the 'New to the Game Division' – not in the series and small rewards geared for new players. (This will be a very small division as it is only used for new players.)

 

Intermediate - the 'I can Drive but can't Putt'...or Drive No Putt...DNP division. This is mostly be made up of the old novice group.

 

Advanced - the "I can Drive AND Putt...but not consistent enough to play Open Division. This is mostly be made up of the old Advanced group with a few of the novice baggers.

 

Open - "I can Drive AND Putt consistently”

In the end, little chance to the payout structure as the novice group will be very small.

ya, i gotta agree with phil. i just don't see what the point of all this is. it doesn't make any sense at all to me. Either you are good enough for the advanced division or you are not good enough, there is not that big of a difference in skill level there. sometimes the best int score is better than the top adv score anyways. I think you guys are freaking out about something that just doesn't matter... although it is entertaining to get on this thread, it serves no other utility.

good question, whats the point?

what we are asking for is an intermediate division because the name intermediate  validates the talent within the largest card in our club, which is currently and (problematically) called novice. listen closely, Noone that should move up this yr is affraid to move up to advanced, im not. The problem is tht there are many decent plyrs that arent advanced yet. The solution is we call them intermediate and allow the couple of locals or true newbies to sign on a rec side card not recognized in the yr total,  PROBLEM SOLVED. Nothing changes....there isnt an extra division. the ccs is a 9 month long multi leg series with time and expenses. how many newbies or as we call em , REC PLYRS will begin and end with us anyway. Its rediculous how this has been twisted. Its simple, again and again, it is simple.... ....our novice card is super deep and more talented than what most people would consider a novice plyr!!! This is where all the bagger tlk comes from. Just change the dang name to intermediate and allow some of these people who wrk hard on their games but struggle have a card that validates the truth. THAT THEY ARE INTERMEDIATE PLYRS! When a TRUE newbie OR REC PLYR shows if he wants to sign on a litl side card with 1 or 3 people at any given event, LET THEM. Then the rec plyr,  no matter where our club goes... will have an honest shake. So, were not creating a new division. Were renaming novice INTERMEDIATE to reflect truth in our clubs lower ranking division. CAN NOONE SEE CLEARLY THAT IT JUST ISNT A BUNCH OF NOVICES, CAN NOONE SEE CLEARLY THAT THEY WOULD GETN EATIN ALIVE IN ADVANCED....the very reason to call it intermediate is so that we give them a place to continue improving without listening to every NOVICE OR rec plyr complain when were out at dif locations about bagging. THAT IS THE ONLY POINT!

Its not for us, its to get rid of the bagger tlk and make room for somone who just wants to play rec. It would be easier to do this than all the mumbling weve done on here thts for sure. Whats funny, this would really work

lol, good point brad. but it isnt yal....im moving to advanced

wouldnt it be the same people, same rythym....better defined?

My thing is it all depends on what your ultimate goal is. Mine was to be the best player I could be so I wanted to play against better players. Is winning a division that you out class really that fun? I would rather be in a battle against someone better than myself and try to elevate my game. Too many poeple need to win.....it waters down the game.

Lawrence is close on this one. Change the name of Advanced. Change it (back) to Amateur. Then you have Novice & Amateur. Who doesn't fall into one of those categories? Drop the point series for Novice. We haven't always awarded Novices points and it seems the series prevents people from moving on (not up) to a more experienced division.

I'm grateful for the choices we have in this area. On any given weekend you can find a tournament that suits your preferences. We have a great point series, just as many PDGA tournaments, and several other cool & interesting events going on within a short drive. Id hate to see all these tournaments homogenized.

Ratings don't prevent bagging. The rating system is a fun tool to measure your own growth, but it's mostly inaccurate. Especially for novice to intermediate type players. These players generally improve faster than their ratings do. The ratings breaks the PDGA has set are arbitrary. 935 your advanced, 900 your intermediate. You could set those numbers anywhere & it wouldn't matter. The top 3-5 players in any am division will always be called baggers.

Adding another division won't stop bagging either. More divisions = more baggers. The top 3-5 players in any am division will always be called baggers.

Exactly Nick.

Point is, you worked on your game.