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Kool Keith
Posted: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 2:30:02 PM
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Tabernacle.
Fred Salaz
Posted: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 9:13:24 PM
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What about the beauty of the hole? By the time I'm done with it there will be more 4's than 3's and very very rare 2's.
KevinB
Posted: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 9:33:45 PM
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Beautiful indeed, can't wait for the creek to have some running water in it. Can't beat the sound of the water running over the rocks along holes 3, 5, 16, 11 & 13.
Rob J
Posted: Sunday, August 12, 2007 4:14:55 PM

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Quote:
Discgolfkid - 8/7/2007 5:05 PM

That was why I thought it wasn't going to happen in the first place, because everyone said it almost makes the hole easier because you worry less about OB.


i thought it would play easier too, however before moving it Fred took me to the field where a safe good golf shot (drive) lands and had me try to reach the green. half the shots that hit across the creek rolled off and ended up OB. the safe approach from there is a layup to the old pin placement -- which involves the exact same risk of the old placement -- try to get too close and you might go OB or leave it short and you have a very tough putt. the hill across the creek is steep enough that it is easy to roll right off and into OB if you throw hard. just before we moved the pin, i had my first ever eagle deuce for the old placement -- a drop in (actually that would probably still be a two with the new placement).

long story short -- the new location plays harder in actuality than it does in theory. a lot like the change in hole 8 -- it makes it a more true par 4 for gold level (1000-rated) players, and that is the skill level for which the course is designed.

the only thing i don't like about the change in hole 8 is that it used to be one of the few righty dogleg holes on the course and now it isn't ...
Sweetriver
Posted: Monday, August 13, 2007 6:37:15 AM

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Hole 11 is playing easier than ever. Maybe if I were 1000 rated it would be playing harder, but I haven't missed a three since the change. Maybe its harder and I'm just awesome, but I doubt it.
Rob J
Posted: Monday, August 13, 2007 12:50:40 PM

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I'll do a score-by-hole spreadsheet of the scorecards from the Masters at Idlewild and we'll see what the hole averaged with the new pin placement -- i will also break it down for different rating groupings in case there is something to your awesome assumption. are you playing the area across the creek except the green as OB? also -- are you laying up at the old pin to get your 3 or are you getting across and on the green with your approach?
Craig
Posted: Monday, August 13, 2007 1:35:07 PM
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I've only played new 11 once, so far. But it seems to me if you don't get all the way down the gap. Then to the left, over the little hill, it's not smart to try and go over to park your second. But in that case you can still lay up and putt over the creek.
STEVO
Posted: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 12:10:24 PM
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As I have mentioned to Fred, I think the pin across the creek is a good idea to help keep the course challenging as the holes loosen up.

I'm not so sure about the OB behind the basket, though....
Sweetriver
Posted: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 12:45:48 PM

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I try to get across. I wouldn't like the putt from the old pin's placement much at all. I play all the marked OB and just try and flop a putter somewhere over the creek but short of the hill. The green is so small, if you get it over there, you should make that putt. I would be interested to see the breakdown from the Masters tourney. Now that the hole is changed, does anyone know the final scoring average for what we'll call the "classic placement"?
Fred Salaz
Posted: Monday, October 22, 2007 9:44:55 AM
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We moved a couple of pins this past weekend so that we could reseed and try to save the greens from eroding. The holes are #3 and #8, both are shorter but still fun and challenging. I will be rotating the pins as necessary once the grass comes in. The pins will always be in the long for tournaments. Have a good day.
Fred Salaz
Posted: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 11:44:24 AM
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I want to try to run a Stableford scoring tournament at Idlewild on Saturday. Tee off at 11:00, $5.00 entry Pro division and Am division. One round long tees. Below is how the scoring works. Player with the most points wins. Any questions post here.
Double bogey or worse - minus-2 points
• Bogey - minus-1 point
• Par - 0 points
• Birdie - 2 points
• Eagle - 5 points
• Double eagle - 8 points
2Timer
Posted: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 1:17:14 PM
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Hey Fred are the pars on the Tee signs? I have no idea what par is for the holes. I always play them as par threes. Thanks for this Fred, I have been Jonesing for some competitive golf and I missed out on the scream, plus this scoring system seems cool. Question: Since I have never played this before is it possible for someone to shoot better actual golf but be out scored by someone else? Just Courious.
matthew_blakely
Posted: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 1:30:11 PM
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Yes
Fred Salaz
Posted: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 1:34:16 PM
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Sure, it's possible. It depends on who gets the least amount of bogeys or worse. Par is on the tee signs. Here is a breakdown of par for Idlewild longs.
Holes #4,7,9,12,17 are par three's, holes #1,2,3,8,10,11, 13,16 are par 4's, holes #5,6,14, 15, 18 are par 5's.
Best score will be the tie breaker for 1st place only.
Dave I left you a pm.
DanH
Posted: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 8:38:58 PM

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Sounds really fun. Seems like it would encourage very aggressive play since a birdie and eagle help more than a bogey or double bogey hurt you. I'll be at the Scream though. Maybe next time.
KevinB
Posted: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 8:05:46 AM
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Quote:
Fred Salaz - 10/23/2007 1:44 PM

I want to try to run a Stableford scoring tournament at Idlewild on Saturday. Tee off at 11:00, $5.00 entry Pro division and Am division. One round long tees. Below is how the scoring works. Player with the most points wins. Any questions post here.
Double bogey or worse - minus-2 points
• Bogey - minus-1 point
• Par - 0 points
• Birdie - 2 points
• Eagle - 5 points
• Double eagle - 8 points


How low can I go, in the negative that is.
finnhawc
Posted: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 11:27:50 AM

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Great place to do the stableford system, Fred. I'll be there with Bells on-Porter or Best Brown.
Rob J
Posted: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:42:51 PM

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Quote:
Fred Salaz - 10/23/2007 2:44 PM

I want to try to run a Stableford scoring tournament at Idlewild on Saturday. Tee off at 11:00, $5.00 entry Pro division and Am division. One round long tees. Below is how the scoring works. Player with the most points wins. Any questions post here.
Double bogey or worse - minus-2 points
• Bogey - minus-1 point
• Par - 0 points
• Birdie - 2 points
• Eagle - 5 points
• Double eagle - 8 points


is the worst a person can do on any hole then a minus 1? In other words if someone takes an 8 on hole 6 for example, is that a minus 1 or something worse?

13 (long) seems to be a pretty tough par 4...
BIGBOY
Posted: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:14:11 PM
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Quote:
Rob J - 10/25/2007 3:42 AM

Rob...Rob...Rob, Please read the following again I believe you missed the minus 2 for double bogey or worse. Minus 2 is the worst you can score on a hole.  So the worst score of the day could possible be a -36.  Can you dig that?

Quote:
Fred Salaz - 10/23/2007 2:44 PM


- Double bogey or worse - minus-2 points
- Bogey - minus-1 point
- Par - 0 points
- Birdie - 2 points
- Eagle - 5 points
- Double eagle - 8 points


is the worst a person can do on any hole then a minus 1? In other words if someone takes an 8 on hole 6 for example, is that a minus 1 or something worse?

13 (long) seems to be a pretty tough par 4...

perica
Posted: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:52:57 PM

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Fred, have you ever considered creating a risk/reward route on 11 that would go left off the teepad? I think that would be a pretty fun shot that could actually park it if it gets through all the way.
bobherb
Posted: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 2:34:39 PM

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Mark, I cannot answer for Fred, but the route you refer to could potentially place players teeing on 17 at risk... maybe.
It could also be a pretty radical/risky/fun shot, similar to the drive on #16 that everyone loves and dreams about.  :smile  The geometry of it could be considered.
Having alternative routes can make you feel as if you are playing a "new" course (if you have the gumption to take the road less traveled).

Also BTW..., those warm seats are coming back into style recently, eh?  :toilet
BIGBOY
Posted: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 7:08:53 PM
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There could be a back door route on 11 that goes down and follows the creek around the bend. It would be a forehand for righties and backhand for lefties. But I think the best back door route would be on hole 6 that would get you to the second landing area with a perfect shot off the tee. Fred has talked about it in the past but nothing has been done that I am aware of. I could help you out Fred if you want to work on it this winter and plan a work day. Let me know and give me a few weeks notice.
Fred Salaz
Posted: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 8:10:41 PM
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#6 is Bob's baby, Mark, I have not considered an alternate route for #11, I don't want to take away from the Y factor.
BIGBOY
Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2007 5:34:39 AM
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Good point Fred the KY gap is awesome. We would not want to ruin that.
finnhawc
Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:37:51 AM

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