Pete, It's not that hard to knock concrete off the original poles. Concrete doesnt bond that well to metal. When Fred and I reset 3 and 7 a couple years ago and put in sleeves, we just used a 4lb sledge and the concrete came right off in two strikes. If we can get some alternate pins I would be willing to install any new sleeves and clean up any old baskets for this project.

I go for 18 at Burnett. Anytime you can get an 18-hole course you get it. Mt. Airy is great as is and yes, it would be fine to improve it, but add another 18 to this area. Burnett 18 would get a lot of play.

And 18 holes at Burnett would be a good complement to Mt. Airy for tournaments.

Hi All,

First time poster here on the website. Actually I'm really new to disc golf as a whole. I just started playing this spring.

I had been playing at Winton Woods, and played Mt. Airy for the first time yesterday, and wow what a difference in courses!

I really enjoyed Mt. Airy's course, but as you can imagine I got lost and confused when looking for #7 and #8. Now after reading all the postings on this message board I now understand these holes have been relocated to behind #4.

So my question is, are #7 and #8 behind #4 Tee or Basket. Also is there any type of marking to let you know where to tee off, since the pads have not been poured yet?

Also what is the total par for this course?

I'm really getting hooked on disc golf, and hope to make it back out to Mt. Airy Forest later tonite to play some more. Thanks for all the help!

After you finish playing #4, walk to the back of that shelter, under the pine trees. There's the tee for "new" #5. It's a left to right shot, about 240'. New #6's tee is very out in the field on your way back to the old course. It's about 350' straight ahead.

Neither of the 2 new holes has concrete tees at this time.

Par for the Mt. Airy course is 54. All of them are par 3's. However, if you are just starting, don't be worried if you aren't shooting par - Mt. Airy is one of the old school tough courses.

tee sign pars are set for recreational players, serious disc golfers consider almost all disc golf holes a par 3 (such as at Mt. Airy -- although hole 10 is more like a true par 4). A few courses like Idlewild that are designed to challenge the top pros have legitimate pro par 4's and 5's. (the tee signs at Idlewild are pro pars, otherwise hole 6 would end up being a par 8 or worse)

7 & 8 were re-done, but since they play immediately after hole 4 it makes sense to re-number the front 9...

Good job explaining Rob, except, I think hole #10 is actually bordering on being a "par 5". Holes 2, 3, and 4 are definitely par 4's, and are not as tough as #10.

Bob, i knew your stance would win a nuanced argument, but i liked my stance for the question: "when you shoot a 58, do you call it par or 4 up?" :)

maybe you could weigh in on the Idlewild controversy i created when i entered scores for the KY States and Masters at Idlewild. I called 72 par for the longs and 67 par for the shorts. Many were up in arms that i didn't call the shorts a par 69. Here was my reasoning. In 2004 shorts were considered par 69 but then we added Hole 2 long basket and hole 16 long basket. My thoughts were that either we had to raise the longs to a par 74 or lower the shorts to a par 67 (otherwise we'd be acting like the longs are equal in difficulty to the shorts on 2 and 16). Since the goal of Idlewild as i understood it was to make the Longs a Pro par 72 (Gold level course designed for 1000 rated players) i figured the two new longs helped bring the SSA for the longs closer to 72. Since the SSA for the shorts is 60 to 62 i figured we needed to drop the course par for the shorts to (at least) 67.

what's your take on all that? :brow

Craig, i think hole 2 and hole 16 long definitely added 2 strokes of difficulty overall. you can say hole 2 is a par 4 long or short but the short par is like 3.5 and the long 4.5 (1 stroke harder). same with 16. 13 plays at least 1.5 strokes harder short to long. to me calling par on the shorts only 3 different than the longs seems silly given that the SSA is 6 to 8 strokes easier from the shorts. the problem is when you try to use whole numbers to get overall par...

am i the only one who thinks calling the shorts a par 69 doesn't make sense now that 2 and 16 long were added?

Okay so when you guys are talking about short pars and long pars, could you please explain the difference?

Thanks Again for the help!

Rob, #4 got pushed back 60 or so foot but it's not a par 4 now. Just cause the hole gets a little trickier you don't a stroke. Like Bob was saying earlier, par fours should be holes that can't be reached(in ball golf) should be about the same except pro disc golfers distances have a greater range difference. So maybe a couple of the easier par 4's can get reached by the big arms.

Playing ball golf if you look at the score card most will have a overhead view of the hole. On each hole it will have a line connecting "dots" where the Ideal shots are. On most the hole take the amount of shots it takes to get to the green, and add 2 for putts and thats the par

I spoke with Adam Jones last night.  He's been the one taking charge of things at Mt. Airy.  He said there's no real time table on pads/signs.  There may be more news on that after the 8/14 club meeting.