Wow those holes look great. They definately add some depth to the course, and I'm sure all of the casual players who go there will really like the addition. This, in addition with the trees that were planted on the first few holes, are really improving this course since it was put in.

Great work, guys! I can't wait to play the new Turtlecreek

I edited my post to include a link to an overview image of the course. This was created by taking GPS waypoints of all the tees/pins, then importing them into Google Earth, taking a screenshot, and then some photoshop work by Mike Kemner.

Turned out pretty cool, but there have been some slight adjustments since that was made. To give you an idea of scale, hole 10 is about 400 ft. So there are some fairly long, tight holes back there. It will be challenging for anyone I think.

The light blue line that is a half circle through the woods was an existing walking trail. The royal blue line is a small creek that goes through hole 12. The creek on 12 is small but we will have to build a small wall to support the two bridges we will need. The wall doesn't have to be much longer than 6 to 8 feet on both sides and 1 or 2 feet deep. We were considering either railroad ties or something similar to the core walls at Idlewild. Fred if you don't mind me asking where did you get the concrete cylinders?

The new holes have been cleared and in the process of doing final touch clean-up. We have a couple of bridges to build but, can play when we get the baskets in. Does anyone know of something we can plant on the fairways for this winter so they aren't so muddy ie: winter rye ? We plan on planting some type of shade grass in the spring.

Here is another...

http://www.modernforage.com/whichgrs.htm

How's the development of the new holes coming along since December?

Here is a suggestion which you have solicited:

Do not put the baskets in before you have established grass in your fairways.
If the weather breaks and you can sow seed in March, it will grow nice, without foot traffic, and be ready for play in June.
This could be one of the best moves you make for the long term beauty "and" playability (especially during potentially muddy occasions) of the course.

If you put the baskets in too soon you will have many places where the grass will never take hold and always be muddy during even light rains. A good stand of grass is always more desirable, more beautiful, and easier to maintain than mulched fairways.
Between now and June you could tweak the course with less temptation to play.
Idlewild took 3 years to open. I argued with Fred but he was right to wait until the tee pads and other aspects of Idlewild were finished before we installed the baskets.
Be patient.

As far as grass goes my good men, I read somewhere on here, no I can't find it, of how much = mud. This is very true, Winton ex. Some places I think would have supported grass better before mulch, but here's a good tip from a friend of mine who works trails in State Parks. ( I was quite the back packer before fatherhood and disc golf) Put styrofoam peices or gravel w/ mulch. Grow grass where it will, all you can do is try. Then where grass is no able to grow, put in drainage trenches and extra gravel etc. I still say Idlewild's caretakers have to be the knowledge gurus on this subject. I would take their word above any, even my buddies!!

Bobby of herbs I do applaud the efforts and as such deemed a kudos. Very true it is Idlewild is that of untrue nature and sown seeds is a must per say. I do miss the days when the grass would grow with little of for that matter no nurture. But those days are gone and we must pitch in. In due time the brilliant infantile Turtle Creek will show it's chubby little muscles indeed and blossom into that of Idlewild status. But or now...it is not worthy of my feet! True I have lost many a disc, yes even with safer more controlled hurls but the grass should be manicured as other coarses set standards. Concerned here! Great to be back and with that have not talked with Bobby of herbs and have not heard from Freddie Salsa?? This is the year to pitch in and even up said coarse quality. I'll appear in due time. Hush but be heard..ha! Crazy talkin fools. Be back with ya got to run and get a new watch battery. As always....let those sweet babies soar! I'm out!

It's fun Dan!

Stevo nice to have you ride in for help and hello indeed. Hurricane Dan I presume yes back I am and we havn't talked. The development is you see underway but tasks are left and are o'plenty! Several local coarses are in need of honey suckle removal or slashing may be used and the like techniques. Concerned here! Upon return the name was taken oh imposters per say or indeed. Gobblin has been donned and yes I did laugh, ha! Idle Wild must not be forgotten and yes Gulley is not intact. Philly Cheese must be a hidin ha miss him much. Like a zebra dragon he must be gone....yes hobbitts do run! Tree removal would be suggested at some said coarses but sores from the past are burning and tourney time is near and yes. Have to run, buying a new bike chain. As always... let those sweet babies soar! I'm out!